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		<title>By: Can We Get Details on Your Merit Pay Plan? &#171; Extra Credit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can We Get Details on Your Merit Pay Plan? &#171; Extra Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 30th, 2007   I&#8217;ve said that I&#8217;m drawn to the idea of merit pay, but the details seem really hard to get right, as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Three over coffee. &#171; PREA Prez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Three over coffee. &#171; PREA Prez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Forman Jr.&#8217;s blog Extra Credit has a lengthy think piece on the topic of merit pay. Worth the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phill Lombardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill Lombardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach algebra at a continuation high school in California.  I’d rather have better teaching conditions, including a smaller class, than merit pay.  I see 150 at-risk students each day.  My students have a multitude of problems, from teen pregnancy to drug addiction.  I also have several special ed. students.  I’m already doing my best to teach these kids.  Giving me merit pay isn’t going to make a difference in my performance.   Smaller classes and an appropriate curriculum which includes vocational training would be a better use of funds.   When students are motivated to learn, teachers are motivated to teach.  Give the students relevant classes, and they’ll do better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach algebra at a continuation high school in California.  I’d rather have better teaching conditions, including a smaller class, than merit pay.  I see 150 at-risk students each day.  My students have a multitude of problems, from teen pregnancy to drug addiction.  I also have several special ed. students.  I’m already doing my best to teach these kids.  Giving me merit pay isn’t going to make a difference in my performance.   Smaller classes and an appropriate curriculum which includes vocational training would be a better use of funds.   When students are motivated to learn, teachers are motivated to teach.  Give the students relevant classes, and they’ll do better</p>
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		<title>By: jtimmerman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are coming at this from the wrong angle.  Part of the problem is recruiting and retaining good teachers.  The other problem is what to do with bad teachers.  I don&#039;t mean mediocre teachers, I mean bad teachers.  Because of the influence of the teachers&#039;s unions really bad teachers are retained and shuffled around when there are high quality teachers out there who can&#039;t earn tenure because spots are filled by poor teachers.  If you really want to have merit pay, then you have to have non-merit discouragment or something of the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are coming at this from the wrong angle.  Part of the problem is recruiting and retaining good teachers.  The other problem is what to do with bad teachers.  I don&#8217;t mean mediocre teachers, I mean bad teachers.  Because of the influence of the teachers&#8217;s unions really bad teachers are retained and shuffled around when there are high quality teachers out there who can&#8217;t earn tenure because spots are filled by poor teachers.  If you really want to have merit pay, then you have to have non-merit discouragment or something of the like.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan Hassel, one of the authors of the paper I discussed in the post, has this response to my comments:

Very well said! We really appreciated your questions at the panel, agree they&#039;re really important and, yet, largely unanswerable at this point. As I said on the panel, the argument for some investment here is the potential of pay reform to change how 70+% of school dollars are spent, dollars which now do little to advance teaching effectiveness. 

That said, redirecting those dollars is only worth doing if it yields better teaching.  There&#039;s little direct evidence that it will, but there&#039;s indirect evidence of a couple of sorts. One, there&#039;s strong evidence that pay compression in the teaching profession has led to a decline in the number of high-aptitude people becoming teachers. Coupled with evidence that college aptitude is strongly correlated with teaching effectiveness, this info suggests there would be payoff from changing the shape of compensation. Two, there&#039;s good research outside of education that says well-designed performance pay plans do boost performance. Well-designed meaning things like basing performance pay on measures that are legit and valid.  

So, I&#039;m not quite willing to say &quot;we know nothing,&quot; though I agree we don&#039;t know as much as we need to. Which gets to your follow-up question at the panel re: how will we know, which is another tough one. It&#039;s easy for us to say &quot;do evaluations,&quot; but getting useful conclusive data on this stuff is tough, as you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Hassel, one of the authors of the paper I discussed in the post, has this response to my comments:</p>
<p>Very well said! We really appreciated your questions at the panel, agree they&#8217;re really important and, yet, largely unanswerable at this point. As I said on the panel, the argument for some investment here is the potential of pay reform to change how 70+% of school dollars are spent, dollars which now do little to advance teaching effectiveness. </p>
<p>That said, redirecting those dollars is only worth doing if it yields better teaching.  There&#8217;s little direct evidence that it will, but there&#8217;s indirect evidence of a couple of sorts. One, there&#8217;s strong evidence that pay compression in the teaching profession has led to a decline in the number of high-aptitude people becoming teachers. Coupled with evidence that college aptitude is strongly correlated with teaching effectiveness, this info suggests there would be payoff from changing the shape of compensation. Two, there&#8217;s good research outside of education that says well-designed performance pay plans do boost performance. Well-designed meaning things like basing performance pay on measures that are legit and valid.  </p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m not quite willing to say &#8220;we know nothing,&#8221; though I agree we don&#8217;t know as much as we need to. Which gets to your follow-up question at the panel re: how will we know, which is another tough one. It&#8217;s easy for us to say &#8220;do evaluations,&#8221; but getting useful conclusive data on this stuff is tough, as you know.</p>
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		<title>By: AFT&#8217;s Van Meter On Merit Pay &#171; Extra Credit</title>
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		<dc:creator>AFT&#8217;s Van Meter On Merit Pay &#171; Extra Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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